Saw X

Summary

John Kramer had the perfect payoff to the big screen inSaw X , butit was nearly ruined two age earlier . come across Xhit theaters in September 2023 , and it quickly became thebestSawmovie since the original in 2004 . After years of waver interest — and an all - time box office low with 2021’sSpiral(viaThe Numbers ) — see Xproved a pleasant surprisal . Part of its succeeder can be attribute to where it falls intheSawfranchise’stimeline , as its locating betweenSawandSawIIenables the sequel to watch over Tobin Bell ’s John Kramer once again .

Kramer is the original Jigsaw , and he serves as the baddie of the first threeSawmovies . However , after Kramer perishes inSaw III , he ’s only seen in flashbacks . understand Xmarks Bell ’s first return as a presently alive Kramer , but according toSpiraldirector Darren Lynn Bousman , John Kramer could have seem inSpiral . Bousman hoped to work with Bell on the motion-picture show , but Lionsgate wantedSpiralto exist " in its own universe , " explicitly stating that Bell should n’t be in the film . That ’s credibly for the best , asKramer ’s return inSpiralwould have been very different — and perhaps a minute underwhelming .

John Kramer Appearing In Spiral Would Be Very Different From His Saw X Return

John Kramer ’s role inSpiralwouldn’t have worked nearly as well as his regaining inSaw Xfor two key reason . For one , the events of the 2021 film take space after Kramer ’s expiry , which would make his rejoinder difficult to draw in off . Unless the pic wanted to retcon the subsequence that came before it , it could only include Kramer in flashbacks . This had been done before in multipleSawsequels , soit would n’t have felt intimately as fresh or efficient asSaw X ’s payoff to Kramer ’s life-time .

The fact thatSaw Xmakes Kramer more of a hero than a scoundrel also highlight why aSpiralreturn would n’t have been as exciting . Saw Xrevamped the franchise ’s formula by spend a penny Kramer a sea wolf worth root for , something none of the otherSawmovies attempt . It ’s unlikelySpiralwould have put Bell ’s character in such a character , as he ’d be more likely to target the copycat Jigsaw killers . With that in idea , Kramer ’s reappearance to theSawfranchise would n’t have been as successful as it was in 2023 . It could even have preventedSaw Xfrom going forward .

Spiral : From the Book of Sawis currently streaming on Hulu .

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Jigsaw’s Role In Spiral Could Have Prevented Saw X From Happening

John Kramer’sSaw Xcomeback is nearly arrant , andit might not have happened if he appeared inSpiral . Given the former motion picture ’s dissatisfactory loge office performance , Lionsgate might have pressed the brakes on moreSawmovies in general . The studio apartment also might not have come to the conclusion that bring Kramer back could reignite fans ' interest in the franchise . Saw X ’s functioning try that its decision to recenter Kramer was the right call , so it ’s for the in effect that Kramer did n’t show up inSpiral . He more than made up for the absence inSaw X.

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A collage of the Jigsaw puppet, Tobin Bell as John Kramer in Saw X, and a man in a trap in Saw X

Tobin Bell as John Kramer looking annoyed in Saw X

Billy the puppet with a tape recorder in Saw X

Headshot Of Tobin Bell

Headshot Of Shawnee Smith In The FXX Network Launch Party

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